Exclusive ‘No Holds Barred’ Interview with Grandmasters Rick Moneymaker and Tom Muncy

Recently DSI Headquarters was able to sit down with Grandmasters Rick Moneymaker and Tom Muncy for a ‘No Holds Barred’, ‘NO B.S.’ interview and ask the martial arts pressure point gurus questions.

DSI: Pressure Points are easy to use. What do you say to those right after a seminar who think “there is just too much to learn”

GM Rick Moneymaker: “I don’t plan to allay these fears. For years martial artists searched in vain for this information.  Now we have the ability to hand it to them on a silver platter.  All they have to do is step up to the plate, buy a few books and dvds, got to seminars and they will have the information they are looking for.  This is ten times easier than I had it.  If they want the info, it is now being given to them.  The other side of that coin is that their competitors are doing what is necessary to learn.  So now they are faced with a real problem.  Their competition is doing what is necessary to learn about pressure points and how they work. The comment that seminar attendees should be making “Thank goodness someone cares enough to share this once secret information and has developed a teaching syllabus that makes it possible for everyone to learn.”

GM Tom Muncy:  The piano is easy for me to play but it took lots of practice and study to make it easy. Points are the same way.  There is no easy way but learning and practicing.  At least we are providing the framework for others  to follow and it took years for that to be developed.  Students will not have to spend the time and energy we did.  All they have to do is connect with us. On email, on social media, attend seminars and study with qualified instructors to have the easier way.

DSI:  How does the DSI teach these principles (Players to the Game)?

RM:  One of the methods that we use is to take one technique, have the attendees do it and measure how much of their total power it took to get the job done and then we show them how to add ‘Players’ and after adding about six or seven we have them measure how much of their power it took to do the same technique.   It usually goes something like this without ‘Players’ 90% with ‘Players’ 10% of your power and 90% left over in case something goes wrong.

TM:  DSI Instructors have their own way but I start with the basic principles and the ‘Five Element Theory’ using several simple techniques to illustrate the effectiveness of applying slight pressure to the right places. Then there is a base to add more ‘Players’ to increase effectiveness even more.  We constantly emphasize the need for safety and gentle application of force to get the feel of the techniques on different body types.

DSI: How many ‘Players’ are there?

RM:  Over 100.

DSI: How can you possibly learn so many and be able to use them?

RM:  This is a learned skill, the hard part is getting the info.  Once someone shows you how to do it, a little practice is all that is needed to master the skills.  I have explained some ‘Players’ to some students over the phone and within a couple of days they are calling back to tell me how well it was working.  When you think about it, it is kind of amusing, most martial artists spend a considerable amount of their time looking for information and trying to understand it.  The DSI puts it there in front of everyone and makes a sincere effort in trying to teach them.  People may be looking  for a hidden agenda that simply doesn’t exist, the DSI has no plans to steal students or disrupt organizations, we are simply a technical resource group.  We share info that will make everyone’s martial art a lot easier to do.  It has always been our goal to be known as the ‘tech support group for the marital artist’.  That is why so many people use us for technical support.  No threat, just lots of info that people have been looking for.  We stand by waiting and daily more and more people find out about us and start to tap into the information.  Talk to our seminar attendees and most of them will tell you that they are amazed at the immense amount of information that is shared during the seminar. Most will tell you that it is ten times more than they are used to getting and a lot more than they can absorb at one time.  We recognize this and also know that each person come to the seminar looking for something different, by giving this much info at one time everyone goes away with something they can use.

TM:  Rick and I did  and others can also.  It takes practice and the ability not to let old paradigms prevent progress.  After all, we have put the music on paper, all others have to do is to practice so they can play as well.

DSI:  Going back to this hidden agenda thing.  Why do you think that large organizations and clubs feel that way?

RM:  It is the old power struggle thing, instructors are afraid of losing students and are afraid of students discovering that their instructors do not know everything.  This is really absurd because no instructor in the world is an expert on everything.  That is one of the reasons the DSI brings different instructors on tour to the conventions.  It shows that diversity is the greatest strength and asset.

DSI:  Do they feel threatened by the information?

RM:  I think that they are overjoyed by the amount of information and at the same time humbled by the acknowledgement that there is so much more info out there to be absorbed.  They must understand that this is a lifetime study, the growth curve is phenomenal.  There has never been another time in history where so much information on so many different platforms is readily available.

TM:  Although I agree with what Rick has said about power struggles and being threatened by the information, it has been my experience  with large organizations and affiliates that the bottom line for these groups is money.  Many of the full time instructors manage very successful financial programs and I believe they are not as threatened by the information so much as what it might do to the cash flow.  What they are doing in their programs works for their main objective and that is profit.

DSI:  What, in your opinion, is the best way for people to take this information on board?

RM:  Each case is different.  The people we have seen who have the most success and make the biggest improvements are the ones  who connect with us online on Facebook, Twitter, watch our Youtube channel, show up at the seminars with their students, get our  books, dvds and charts and go back to their schools and practice everything  they have seen.  I have asked these people if I could buy back the info that they invested, and have now, would they sell it to me for $50,000, and every one of them told me that they would  not want to be without this information.

DSI:  What about the instructor who says to a student “You do not need to learn that stuff.”  Or says, “That’s not Traditional Martial Arts”.

RM:  In my opinion he is mistaken.  If you decide not to learn this material and your opponent does learn, who is better off?  How would you like to fight WWIII with WWII technology? Not smart is it?

TM:  I think we are back to decisions  again.  Learning is exposing yourself to various forms of data, evaluating its usefulness and deciding whether to learn more or take another avenue.  You can make that decision or let someone else make it for you.  However, it is just not smart to bring a knife to a gun fight.

DSI:  Here at DSI Headquarters we are getting reports of many security/doormen/bodyguards are taking this information on board at an introductory level and getting great results.  Do you find this is happening all across the globe?

RM:  Yes,  We are getting personal calls saying how well it works and how easy it works in USA, Canada, UK, New Zealand and Europe

DSI:  How do people know if they are on the right track when utilizing Bunkai (kata self defense)?

RM:  It is an easy test.  Try it on your training partner with him resisting.  Take out the dojo compliance training method and apply it to a resisting opponent.  The truth will be very obvious.

DSI:  What about those people who say that kata is purely for training, to develop coordination, balance, power, concentration and so on?

RM:  This is true it does all of this on the basic level.  I think it is time now for martial artists to embrace the idea that kata has another purpose.  It is a virtual encyclopedia or blueprint of martial arts application, science and principles.  Think about it, do we really need to have kata for the purpose of developing  physical skills?  Have we not developed better training drills and gym equipment that can get you in better physical shape than kata?

TM:  Sincere kata training will do what is suggested but I believe traditional kata was used to develop and improve fighting skills.  Applying balance, coordination, balance, power and concentration to a technique make a better fighter.  The people who designed katas got plenty of exercise just living, there has to be a higher goal.

DSI:  Some say that bunkai does not work on the street, what do you say to that?

RM:  If they are referring to the block, kick, punch, karate-do bunkai then I agree totally.  People who understand and do Karate Jutsu bunkai never make such a statements.

TM:  As a former police officer and trainer, I have seen people who carried guns who could not hit the street if they fired the weapon in a crisis situation (some even just on the range).  Jutsu techniques are effective if people know how to use the weapons.  There are people who have done this in their jobs as bouncers and bodyguards, ask them!

About The Author

Mike Patrick Mike Patrick has a diverse background in both practical reality-based personal defense and Martial Arts. He began his Martial Arts training in a small dojo (karate school) in East Tennessee. It was so small it was even named “Hole-In-The-Wall Dojo.” The training was traditional Isshin-ryu Karate with a heavy focus on basics and kata (forms). Upon becoming only the second student to earn a Black Belt in the dojo, he began to add to his training with a variety of Martial Arts. Though, never leaving his original focus of Isshin-ryu, he was able to incorporate elements of Modern Arnis knife and stick fighting, kobudo (traditional Okinawan weapons), Tai Chi Chuan, and more, to the Isshin-ryu Karate that he was working so hard to master. In time, his instructor, Max Jones, recommended that he continue his training with Allen Wheeler who was very involved with adding Pressure Point knowledge to the Isshin-ryu system. As fate would have it, Grand Master Wheeler invited Grand Master Rick Moneymaker to begin teaching a series of Master Series Seminars at his Knoxville dojo. Mr. Patrick attended one of those and was immediately ‘hooked’ on Torite Jutsu. After the seminar, Mr. Patrick approached Grand Master Moneymaker and inquired about books and materials to help him learn the art. At the time, the only sources available were Acupuncture books and charts. From these, Mr. Patrick acquired quite a library and invested a lot of his own money to travel and learn from the Dragon Society International. Grand Master Moneymaker agreed to take him on as a long-distance student and through many seminars, phone conversations, letters, and such, Mr. Patrick eventually became proficient in the art of Torite Jutsu. After a few years, Grand Master Moneymaker invited Mr. Patrick to Texas to a DSI International Convention as a guest instructor. It was at this Convention that Grand Masters Moneymaker and Muncy awarded Mr. Patrick the coveted title of Master and Certified Instructor in the art of Torite Jutsu. From that time on, Master Patrick has worked tirelessly to enrich as many students as he can reach with the art of Torite Jutsu. He has taught internationally at seminars and conventions, published books, produced videos, and more to get word out to enrich as many people as possible. Because of his early training within the DSI and the lack of published materials, Master Patrick fully understands the challenges of learning an art such as this and the great cost of collecting the necessary books, travel, and not to mention difficulty of digesting the information. It is this awareness that led him to become one of the first DSI Instructors to publish a range of books and videos on the art. In his videos and seminars, Master Patrick is fond of taking a technique and spending hours explaining and demonstrating the intricacies of the technique in what the DSI calls “Players to the Game.” Participants at his seminars often remark at not only his depth of knowledge, but also his ability to translate complex techniques and principles in a warm, friendly, and often humorous manner which sets all at ease and provides a great environment for learning. Since that time, Master Patrick went on eventually earn a 6th Degree Black Belt from his instructor Allen Wheeler in the art of Isshin-ryu Karate, earning the title of “Master” in that art. He has been recognized by both the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame as well as the United Karate Systems of America Hall of Fame for his accomplishments in the Martial Arts and was inducted as “Instructor of the Year.” To continue his passion for protection of others and his desire to give them the ability to defend themselves and their families, he founded a system called Personal Defense Tactics which he has taught to individuals of all ages and abilities. This system eventually evolved into a more robust system through his partnership with Rick Moneymaker. Together, they developed a new system, known as CombatiX™ which is the practical application of their many years of experience in testing what works in real world environments. These techniques have been taught to and studied by individuals from a number of law enforcement agencies and military groups. What makes his research different is his earnestness in testing what he teaches. In CombatiX™, the motto is “If we don’t test it, we don’t teach it!” So many Martial Arts instructors take what they are taught for granted without questioning its origins. By testing these techniques, he was able to determine what worked and what didn’t. Only those techniques that really work are kept and form the core of CombatiX™. Moreover, he added Firearms training to his skills. After studying the methods of various instructors, he came to realize that many were not compatible with the affects of Body Alarm Reaction. This lead to the development of the CombatiX™ shooting platform which is integrated with the universal platform, leading to a consistent and cohesive system. Today CombatiX™ is continuing to spread and being met with enthusiastic reception in both the Martial Arts and tactical communities. His videos and books have gone throughout the world and thousands of students have been enriched by his efforts. Mike Patrick is available for seminar instruction and is willing to travel anywhere in the world to share his expertise. He would love to speak with you and help you and/or your students or officers to continue your training and take it to a new level. Expertise: The application of the laws of Acupuncture / Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) as they relate to the Martial Arts sciences. “Players to the Game” as they are applied to techniques including, waveforms, harmonics, TCM, Body Alarm Reaction (BAR), etc. Bunkai (Application) of the Kata, Forms, Poomse, Hyung, etc., regardless of style or system. Ranks & Certifications: Grandmaster of Torite Jutsu Karate. Certified Professor in Torite Jutsu by Dragon Society International. 8th Degree Black Belt and Certified Instructor in Isshin-ryu Karate. 7th Degree Black Belt in Okinawan Kempo presented by Grandmaster Rick Moneymaker (9th Dan) and Tom Muncy (10th Dan). 7th Degree Black Belt in Torite Jutsu presented by Grandmaster Rick Moneymaker (9th Dan) and Tom Muncy (10th Dan). 7th Degree Black Belt by AKBBA. Recognized as a Master in Isshinryu Karate. Awards & Recognition: Over 30 years of experience in the Martial Arts. Inducted into the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame as the Instructor of the Year in 1999. Inducted into the United Karate Systems of America Hall of Fame. International author of a series of instructional DVD’s for Dragon Society International such as Players to the Game Volumes 1 & 2, Waveforms, Enhancement & Retardation, and Torite Joint Locks. International author of a series of instructional books for Dragon Society International including Advanced Martial Science Volumes 1 & 2, Foundations of Martial Science, and the Pressure Point Atlas. Internationally published author of a number of articles in various Martial Arts magazines across the globe. Contributing author of Torite Jutsu Reference Manual published by Dragon Society International. Direct student of Grand Master Allen Wheeler, 10th DAN, Grand Master Rick Moneymaker, 9th DAN, and Grand Master Tom Muncy, 10th DAN. Featured In dozens of internationally distributed Pressure Point videos produced by Dragon Society International. Featured in advertisements for Dragon Society International with Grand Master Moneymaker in Black Belt Magazine. Has provided instruction for local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies including elite members of Police departments, military, and S.W.A.T. Teams. Internationally acclaimed seminar instructor for thousands of students of all ranks and from all styles. Provides Kyusho Jutsu (Pressure Point) and Torite (Joint Locking) Seminars across the United States and throughout the world. Guest instructor for Masters Series Seminars sponsored by Dragon Society International. Guest instructor for the Dragon Society International Convention in the United Kingdom. Guest instructor for the Educational Funding Company’s (EFC) East Coast Training Convention. Former Vice President of the Tennessee Karate Circuit. Former nationally ranked fighter and Grand Champion in numerous tournaments across the United States. Formerly ranked #1 in Tennessee Karate Circuit in Black Belt Fighting, #2 in Kata/Forms, and #4 in the Nation in Kata in Martial Arts tournaments. Testimonials for Grandmaster Michael Patrick: “This is the next generation of Dragon Society International…the next level coming…Master Patrick has done an excellent job incorporating the Torite (Pressure Point) sciences into his understanding of all Martial Arts systems and provides excellent instruction to students of all styles and ranks. From my extensive travels I have found that less than 2% of the Black Belts in the world can instruct at his level…Master Michael Patrick lays to rest any questions as to why pressure points work. His extensive research and analysis will certainly convince even the most adamant naysayers in the martial arts world. His work shows beyond a shadow of doubt that the techniques of old were based upon a proven science and that they were duplicatable if one takes the time to research and expends the effort to practice this ancient art.” Grandmaster Rick Moneymaker “I believe that any martial artist can study [his] information and gain useful insights to make their art more effective.” Grandmaster Tom Muncy “[Master Patrick possesses] super secret fighting knowledge…that would only be imparted to a select few…The techniques and methods described…are things that will make any martial arts practitioner a lethal fighting machine.” Sigung Rich Mooney “The extent of the research that Mike has put into [his] work is evident to any who have been involved in these areas of study for any length of time.” Sean Fitzpatrick “Master Michael Patrick has once again shown that he has an incredible in-depth knowledge of the points, but not only that, he is able to teach this information in such a way that all levels of skill will benefit. A true mark of excellence.” Master Steve Burton “Master Michael Patrick…has raised the bar and set the American martial arts frontier ablaze … [he] does an exceptional job of conveying the complexities of combative science to enhance your martial skills by introducing to the public an ingenious method of technique analysis and application developed by the Dragon Society International called ‘Players to the Game.’ ” Master Alex Ormaza “Your ‘Players to the Game DVD Volume One’ is one of the most comprehensive recorded documents of ‘The Players’ to date.” J. Llanos “[Master Patrick] is the guy when it comes down to being able to teach concisely and accurately…The trouble with other teachers (nice blokes and great martial artists I should add) is that teaching the arts is a skill in its own right and some of these people just don’t have the skills well enough developed to teach and maybe in some cases don’t want to reveal ‘secrets’ fully…Mike is a great instructor – in person I bet he’d be awesome – he understands the necessity for both large picture and small detail and can convey it excellently. All of the questions I’ve asked others were answered by Mike…” Daikomyo

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